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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:29:00 -
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frankly, the whole situation is a disaster. in my personal opinion, impersonation of anyone other than CCP staff (including GMs and ISD) should have always been legal in the first place, especially if it was 'malicious'. people who fall for fake names, supposed alts etc. cannot blame anyone but themselves, just as when they do not count the zeroes in a private contract.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:31:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:[So I think what is sorely needed in this case is precedent to be known. There needs to be some public knowledge of outcomes of past cases to guide us towards justice in future cases. We need to be able to cite these cases like "No way could I be banned for that because in CCP vs. Captain Butthead back in 2012 it was ruled that the defendant did in fact not violate the rules and I am doing the same thing". yea, either that or just rewrite the rules so that they make some ******* sense. that way, you do not need space legal insurance.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:48:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:Where does Customer Support draw the line for impersonation? As much as we'd love to be able to draw a clear line, it is quite impossible. this is bullshit. "you may try to impersonate any ingame character or organization, other than those officially affiliated with CCP." there you go, a clear line. it may not be drawn where you want it to be but it is clear as day.
as i have already stated on page one, this whole situation is just a total disaster.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.12 13:35:00 -
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Sam Alkawe wrote:Theon Severasse wrote:It's funny how the devs can find time to post in other threads, but the one that is going to seriously affect the course of the game is being ignored. I'm sure by now CCP staff has been told to not uter a word regading this issue. Why would they? Chances are it's only going to throw more fuel to the fire so it seems to me silly to think they are even going to mention they are looking into it or anything. If anything the next thing we are going to hear is a PR statement, if at all. A shame, if you ask me. well, who can blame them? the way i see it there are only two valid courses of action: 1. hold their fingers still and hope that the whole thing blows over. 2. change the policy to actually allow "impersonation" scams, thus causing an outcry from the mouth-breathing part of the community.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.12 14:16:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:3. Admitting a mistake, apologize and rolling back to the old TOS wording. too late for that now. they told us repeatedly that "impersonation" is banned in other parts of the legal magic scrolls. the only reason most of us still have their accounts is that the people who are not smart enough to avoid scams are also not smart enough to file a petition.
Quote:4. Using this community response to better reword the TOS. which is essentially 2.)
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.12 15:37:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Shade Millith wrote:It's my damn job to make sure I'm talking to who I think I'm talking too, and if I'm foolish enought to just believe someone without evidence (namely having the character he's supposed to be get in contact), then it's my damn fault for being an idiot. Yep, and you can get back whatever you lost and get that badguy banned if you know about the TOS mechanics. It's a means to get revenge, not unlike ganking ... except you (well the gm) can deal the best form of punishment. One might say that learning about how to best make use of the eve online TOS and GM mechanics, you are able to do more to defend yourself and punish people to hurt you than someone who does not know. In other words, it's like learning to fit a tank. Or the right way to make optimal use of your rack of blasters. in yet other words, the old and new version of the ToS includes an EVE version of american 'stand your ground' laws: if someone pisses you off, you can shoot him dead and walk away.
sounds legit.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1446
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Posted - 2013.09.13 12:26:00 -
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Echo Echoplex wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
I say bad freak luck to the veteran whiners in this thread
I'm a tender pink newbie who's never scammed and if this "rewording" really will restrict the ability of players to try to scam anyone, including me, in the ways that made this game intriguing to me in the first place then they can have it. And no, no one can have my stuff. I'll just throw it all at the monument. After all, Burn Jita's how I learned about Eve in the first place. I respect your view of it but it isn't all bittervets who don't want this. you go girl!
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1447
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Posted - 2013.09.13 13:09:00 -
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Needmore Longcat wrote:This might be a bigger debacle than walking in stations was. Like others have said in this thread, I've never been prone to scamming, mainly because I do not have the patience, but caveat emptor should practically be the slogan of Condescending Dicks Eve Online. The ~meta game~ is what makes Eve what it is - without it, you'd just have a bunch of people shooting rocks and red crosses. It makes you think when you play, rather than just mindlessly follow quests. There are plenty of other games where you can collect 25 hides and get xp. not hides. crystals. it's always some ******* crystals.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1449
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Posted - 2013.09.13 13:44:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:To throw the ball back to you: In the hypothetical situation that we were to take no action in such cases, you'd be rather annoyed about Joe once you got wind that he's ruining your hard earned reputation, wouldn't you? Given that such characters as Joe usually don't go about wandering in space very often, you'd have no real recourse of hounding him down until the end of time either. you are implying that there are no other ways to protect yourself other than blowing someone up, which is not true. trust is an asset like any other and if you are not able or not willing to protect the trust people place in you, you probably do not deserve it to begin with.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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